DATSUN - Bluebird (411/410) - 1964

[nunoturbo]

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Edited by: http://p086.ezboard.com/bamigosdosjaponesesantigos.showUserPublicProfile?gid=umtali>Umtali at: 28/10/07 0:26

[MRS]

Agradeço ao Nuno turbo ter se lembrado deste 411 que foi o modelo mais importante para a Datsun no mercado americano nos anos 60.Estas fotos dizem respeito ao 410(tenho um com volante à direita vindo de Moçambique e comprado num ferro velho perto de Rio Maior por 20 contos mas está estampado e ainda ´nao tive coragem para começar a recuperar até porque não sei se vale a pena)mas a sguir veio o 411 com motor J13 o tal da pick Up 520 a gasolina que é aquele que tenho totalmente recuperado faltando-me apenas o farolim original de iluminação da chapa de matricula (tenho um mas está em mau estado).Em Portugal conheço quem tenha um carro igual ao meu,mas de volante à direita, comprado ao primeiro dono, no Entreposto Lisboa,trazido também de Moçambique e vi uma vez perto de Alijó uma Station mas não sei que motor tinha.
Os 411 são ainda muito populares nos USA havendo com motores J15 e R16 este o motor do Roadster com 95 cavalos.Recorde-se que o 410 tinha o motor E1 mas o meu está um pouco vandalizado e faltam algumas peças.Há nos USA quem tenha o J15 com dois carburadores duplos, até porque foi no 411 que surgiu pela primeira vez uma versão SSS.
Se o RVIPER quiser incluir as fotos do meu carro, que lhe enviei por mail por não as saber incluir eu...fica o post mais documentado.
Tenho sobre este modelo muita literatura técnica e não só pelo que se alguém estiver interessado posso fornecer.
MRS

[MRS]

Mais precisamente......
O ultimo catalogo da Station Wagon no primeiro post diz respeito à 411 e nota-se pela grelha frontal e pelos farolins traseiros.
Quanto à paternidade do modelo, parece haver concenso que o 410 foi de desenhado em Italia pela Pininfarina e depois, o 411 foi alterado pala Nissan.O assunto é contudo um pouco polémico e já li opiniões diferentes.
Está previsto um artigo na T&C sobre o 411 e a recuperação da minha unidade, que foi sempre do mesmo dono,desde 1967,só foi vendido pela familia após a sua morte e custou -me 50 contos embora a reconstrução tenha custado algo mais.
MRS

[nunoturbo]

MRS

Este link é para a foto que o RViper já colocou há uns valentes meses no tópico da Galeria de Modelos em "Japoneses Antigos dos Membros".

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Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

Edited by: http://pub75.ezboard.com/bamigosdosjaponesesantigos.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nunoturbo@amigosdosjaponesesantigos>nunoturbo at: 23/3/04 15:02

[nunoturbo]

DATSUN BLUEBIRD 411. 1966 modell.
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Big changes for 1964. Replacing the English inspired design of the 310/311/312 series was an all new design by the Italian designer Pininfarina. New too was the unitary construction of the body, rather than the separate chassis of the previous model. It continued to use the same 1189cc 60hp OHV 4cyl. E-1 engine as the P312. This model has a grille with 4 groups of 3 horizontal bars and 6 vertical bars. The grille has a large round emblem with a gold 'D' in the middle. Available in 2 door sedan, 4 door sedan (P410) and 5 door wagon (WP410).

Datsun Bluebird P410 1965
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In September 1964 there was a change in the design of the grille, the new grille has 13 horizontal bars and 9 vertical bars, the middle horizontal bar and the 3rd and 7th vertical bars are slightly larger than the rest. The large round emblem has been replaced with a rectangular shaped emblem, the same as the one on the heading at the top of this page. It now has rubber blocks on the bumper over riders.

Datsun Bluebird P411 1966
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The P411 is pretty much identical to the previous P410 except it now has a new larger engine. The new J13 engine is a 1299cc 67hp OHV 4cyl and is a development of the previous E-1 series engine. It was available in a 2 door sedan, 4 door sedan (P411) and 5 door wagon (WP411).

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In late 1966 there were some changes made to the P411. The new grille has 7 horizontal bars and has a narrow emblem with a 'D' in the centre and a red rectangle above the D and a blue rectangle below. There is a new tail light design, they are a rectangular shape and now have a reversing light between the stop and indicator lenses.

Datsun Bluebird SSS R411 1965-1967
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One can only imagine how many sakis the Nissan engineers had in them when they decided to stick the Fairlady's mechanicals into the humble P411 Bluebird. This ludicrous little car had the Fairlady 1600's 1595cc twin SU carb. 96hp OHV 4cyl. engine, giving it a power to weight ratio of 109hp/1000kg. The engine was a bit of a tight fit, the only way they could make it work was to have the exhaust come straight out and through a hole in the inner guard into the wheel arch area and then go down under the car. Early R411s had drum brakes all round but most had front disc brakes and drums at the rear. All R411s had a 4 speed close ratio gearbox. There are a couple of different variations of the SSS (Super Sports Sedan), the early models had the same grille as the P411, but the emblem said 'SSS' instead of 'D', later models had a grille with 2 groups of 5 horizontal lines, with a long 'Datsun' emblem in the centre. The USA got 2 versions of the R411, they got the SSS and also a more basic version that had the dashboard of the P411, the basic models didn't have SSS emblems but instead had '1600' emblems. The USA also got an optional 3 speed Borg-Warner automatic transmission. It was also available in a 2 door sedan (R411-R). The USA also got a wagon version (WR411).
 

Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

[MRS]

Obrigado pela investigação e pelos bons tópicos.
De facto com 96 cavalos uma caixa close e 4 discos ,devia ser um sedan giro para a época.por isso não admira que o 510,1600SSS tivesse saido tão depressa e só foi pena a Nissan nunca ter posto o motor 2000 cc do Roadster da carroçaria do 510.Deveria ser muito bom para a época tal como se constatou nas unidades que fizeram ralis com este motor.
MRS

[nunoturbo]

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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 1964


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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 WAGON 1964

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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 1965

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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 SS EMBLEM FRA 1964-1966

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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 1966. USA MODELL.

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DATSUN BLUEBIRD 410 WAGON 1966. USA MODELL

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DATSUN 411 RL 1967. USA MODELL

 

Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

[nunoturbo]

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A Super Sport 410 was introduced in March of 64 with a J13 engine equippped with twin SU's that pushed the horsepower up to 77. this car was upgraded in February of '64.

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[nunoturbo]

J13  1299cc Pushrod 4 Cylinder, 2 barrel down draught carb 67hp Bluebird 411, 520 Pick-up


J13 1299cc Pushrod 4 Cylinder, twin side draught 'SU' carbs 77hp Bluebird SS P411-MTK sports sedan
 

Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

[nunoturbo]

The PL 411 preceded the 510 and was available from 1965 until the introduction of the 510 in 1968. It was well built but slow and could best be described as rugged. There was also a 411 SSS that had the 1600 roadster engine. It too was slow and, well, ugly. For some reason these cars had lots of fluid leaks. When one of them wandered into the service lane the smart mechanics hid. You knew that being assigned to work on one of these units was going to be a money-losing proposition.

Datsun 410
And then came the 410 in late 63. This bluebird had style, with a body penned by the famed Italian design house Pininfarina, with "unit body" construction and many of the sp310 roadsters' chassis, suspension and drive train parts. The difference under the hood being that the 410 of 1964 boasted a 60 horse 1299cc G model overhead valve engine with a single Nikki carb(dual carbs in some markets apparently), while the roadster had a 91 horse version with twin Hitachi SU's. Both had a 4 speed manual transmission. You could get the 410 in 4 door for the low price of just $1616 4 door, or in a wagon for $1816.

The 410 became the 411 in 1966 with not much change, other than a few exterior light and trim adjustments, the switch to the model J engine (same displacement), and the addition of a two barrel carb, pumping out a hot 79 horses.
January 1966 also saw Nissan's merger with Prince. Prince was a company with incredible engineering skill, but with very poor business and management practices. They had already come up with a couple stellar automobiles, including the original Skyline sedans and the r380 sports prototype(see race history). Princes engineers had taken an deep hard look at the Mercedes engines of the early 60's, and had come up with some nifty little SOHC engine designs of their own. Princes engineers where also really good at putting together light strong body shells, something that would become invaluable with the development of the 510.
1967 was also a good year for the 411, with two versions being sold, the PL411 with the standard model J 79 horse engine, or the RL411, better known as the first SSS model, or Super Sport Sedan. The Bluebird SSS featured a twin SU 1595 cc R series engine pumping out 96 horses, front disc brakes, and an optional 3 speed Borg Warner automatic, plus tons of extra bits and pieces not found on the standard 411. You could pick one up at your local Nissan dealer for $1846. This was also the final year for the 411, thanks to the introduction of our favorite little car.


The '65-'68 411 SSS used 38mm dome-top Hitachi-SUs,  

Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

Edited by: http://pub75.ezboard.com/bamigosdosjaponesesantigos.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nunoturbo@amigosdosjaponesesantigos>nunoturbo at: 26/3/04 12:32

[nunoturbo]

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Old Jap's never die...'cos some clotheads keep bodgin' 'em back together...

[MRS]

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Pois pois....quem duvida que o datsun 411 foi importante para pôr meio mundom a andar em 4 rodas vejam só este exemplar encontrado nas ilhas Mauricias.E ainda andava e tudo.....
MRS

Edited by: http://p086.ezboard.com/bamigosdosjaponesesantigos.showUserPublicProfile?gid=nunoturbo@amigosdosjaponesesantigos>nunoturbo at: 21/10/04 22:10

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[Antonio]

é pena não conseguir ver as primeiras imagens...
carros bem bonitos
só por acaso eu tenho um DATSUN PL411 

cumprimentos,

António.